JUDY WOODRUFF: Hurricane Dorian is still growing
tonight, and 10 million people along the east
coast of Florida could be at risk.
The storm will reach the Bahamas on Sunday,
then slam into Florida by Tuesday with Category
4 winds of 140 miles an hour.
But with the actual track still uncertain,
Governor Ron DeSantis held off ordering evacuations
RON DESANTIS (R-FL): We know it’s going west.
It’s going to eventually go north.
Will it go north before it hits the east coast.
Will it go — ride 95?
Will it go up the center of the state?
Will it go up the west coast or even into
We don’t know that yet.
But I think if folks are in some of those
areas, they need to do what’s best to prepare.
But, yes, it’d be great for me to say if I
could say, it’s been totally ruled out to
go one direction or another.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Let’s hear more about Dorian’s
trajectory as of this evening and the risks
of this hurricane.
Edward Rappaport is the deputy director of
the National Hurricane Center, and he joins
me from the center in Miami.
Ed Rappaport, thank you for being with us.
So what is the latest information on Dorian?
ED RAPPAPORT, Deputy Director, National Hurricane
Center: Good evening.
Yes, during the day today, Dorian did strengthen
and became what we call a major hurricane,
The track is also beginning to change, and
this was expected.
The storm had been moving toward the northwest,
but is now beginning to turn toward the west-northwest
And in fact we expect it is going to turn
even more towards the left there, which is
going to make it go towards the west.
And here is the forecast now, the center located
about 600 miles to the east of the Florida
east coast, and the track we have now forecasts
for it to approach by late in the weekend
the coast, but then slow significantly and
turn very near the coast.
So while typically forecasting intensity is
the hardest, in this case, the track forecast
is particularly problematic for us.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Why problematic?
ED RAPPAPORT: Well, in this case, if the hurricane
should turn a little earlier than we are forecasting,
which would be really great news, it would
take the center offshore.
If the turn is delayed just a little bit — we
are talking about maybe 50 miles — then we
have a landfall of a major hurricane on the
south or central coast of Florida, with the
impacts that would be quite significant.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And you were saying it had
And what does that mean in terms of the danger
that it represents?
ED RAPPAPORT: Yes.
There are a number of — there are positive
and negative factors for a slowing storm.
The positive is, it gives us a little more
time to prepare.
The negative is, though, that once it arrives,
it is a prolonged period of those strong winds,
very heavy and flooding rains and storm surge,
which might go through multiple high tide
cycles, which would make things even worse.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And any — what are the chances
now that it could weaken at this point?
ED RAPPAPORT: In this case, we don’t think
there will be much chance for a weakening.
Again, we have now what is Category 3 hurricane,
We are forecasting it to become even stronger
over the next day or so.
The issue for us is, will the center actually
make it to the coast?
And at this stage, there is still a fairly
significant chance of that.
And we’re looking for all folks in Florida
to prepare because of that potential eventuality.
JUDY WOODRUFF: For sure.
If there is any chance at all, preparation
is so important.
Ed Rappaport at the National Hurricane Center,
we thank you.
ED RAPPAPORT: Thank you.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Now, we have seen pictures
of gas lines.
And we’re seeing people lined up in grocery
To give us some better perspective on what
people need to know and what the state is
doing to get ready, we turn to Craig Fugate.
He headed the Federal Emergency Management
Agency under President Obama.
Before that, he was director of Florida’s
Emergency Management Division.
Today, he lives and works as an adviser in
And he joins us from there.
Craig Fugate, listening just now to Ed Rappaport
at the National Hurricane Center, what should
the state of Florida be doing to prepare?
CRAIG FUGATE, Former Administrator, Federal
Emergency Management Agency: Well, the folks
up at Tallahassee in the state emergency operations
center, Governor DeSantis has called out the
National Guard, is they are getting ready
for all of the worst-case scenarios.
Is this storm going to come in as a major
hurricane and do tremendous damage?
Is it going to be a slow-moving storm with
lots of rain, you know, torrential rainfall
measured in feet?
So they have to plan for all of these.
The problem is, Florida is a peninsula, so
there is not too many options about how you
can pre-position resources.
So you have to kind of play this out and go
worst-case scenario, how do I get close enough,
how do I have the right resources?
But until that track gets closer, and we actually
start seeing the likelier impacts, they are
just having to plan for a lot of scenarios
from South to North Florida.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, we heard the governor say,
we just don’t have enough information yet
to tell people to start evacuating.
How long can they wait, though, before they
CRAIG FUGATE: Well, this…
JUDY WOODRUFF: Go ahead.
CRAIG FUGATE: Yes.
This is well-practiced.
And it’s not something we just like jump and
say it’s time to evacuate.
Every one of these counties along the coast
knows about how long it takes to evacuate
their at-risk populations.
And they’re looking for the arrival of the
tropical force winds.
And they will count backwards from that forecast.
And let’s say it takes them 24 hours to evacuate.
They’re looking for that forecast how early
tropical force winds would reach their area.
And they would want to get their evacuations
completed, if required, before that.
They just don’t want to put people up on the
highways and going across bridges when you
got 40 plus-mile-an-hour winds.
So this is really based upon the timing of
the arrival of tropical force winds, how long
it takes to evacuate counties, and the fact
that all these counties on the east coast
are going to share evacuation routes like
I-95 and I-4.
So they all work together on conference calls
with the state and the Hurricane Center to
make that call.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Because they have to think
about traffic and traffic jams?
CRAIG FUGATE: Exactly.
You have got some counties that, if they go
too early, they may actually be a bottleneck
for a much larger population that needed to
So everybody gets on these conference calls,
all the counties, the Hurricane Center, the
state, and they kind of walk through this
on the timing issues.
But we know that the larger counties take
The big thing is, do people know if they’re
in an evacuation zone?
And, if not, that’s what we want them to do
Find out if you’re an evacuation zone, know
where you’re going to go.
You don’t have to go hundreds of miles.
These counties will open up shelters.
For most people, you don’t have to go more
than 10 miles.
But if you are going to leave your county
and head to hotel, motel or somewhere else,
make sure you have a destination and a reservation
before you get on the highway.
You just want to get on there and drive and
hope something’s going to work out.
Those are the folks that end up having to
drive to Atlanta.
JUDY WOODRUFF: But, OK, so beyond evacuating,
what else can people be doing, other than
watching television, listening to the radio,
of course, following the Internet right now?
CRAIG FUGATE: Well, I plan to do a barbecue
on Saturday or Sunday.
CRAIG FUGATE: So I don’t think it’s going
to be that soon that storm gets here.
Is, if you got your plan, you got your supplies,
you know what you’re going to do, just monitor
the storm and keep on doing what you would
A lot of people are getting ready last minute.
There’s still plenty of time.
But this is kind of the challenge with these
kind of storms, is they’re so far out.
They have slowed down.
We have got lots of time.
People, get your supplies and stuff.
But if you have got everything and you’re
set, there’s no reason why you can’t at least
salvage some of these July — this Labor Day
But if you’re not ready, you still got time
to get — you get your supplies.
But what you’re preparing for, for a lot of
folks inland is going to be a lot of rain
and, unfortunately, probably a lot of power
outages if the storm does come over the state.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, as somebody who has been
the head of FEMA and, of course, has been
in charge of emergency situations in the state
of Florida, what is your biggest worry about
CRAIG FUGATE: Well, it’s going to be the three
First one is going to be storm surge in the
Do people comply with those evacuations?
Do they leave?
We don’t want people waiting for the next
forecast or delaying.
They may not get out in time.
The second thing is going to be the winds.
Outside of what you would see from just devastation,
winds are the primary thing that’s going to
cause widespread power outages.
And this is a big storm.
So its potential is causing a lot of damage
well inland, really a challenge for all the
utilities to deal with.
But with a slow-moving storm, the third thing
you’re worried about now is heavy rainfall.
And the slower that storm is and the longer
it takes, you start measuring rainfall in
feet, and you saw what happened in Houston
Imagine that in places like Orlando that are
well inland from the coast, but could see
a lot of rain if the storm slows down and
tracks in that direction.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And just finally, does it look
to you at this point, Craig Fugate, that the
state of Florida, that the federal — that
FEMA, the federal folks, are adequately prepared
CRAIG FUGATE: Well, we always talk about what
our state and federal partners are doing.
And it really comes down to what our public’s
If the public’s doing their part, then, yes.
The governor’s called out the National Guard.
People are getting resources ordered up.
FEMA has got their folks in Tallahassee.
They have got folks that are bringing in supplies.
They have got urban search-and-rescue teams
that have water rescue capabilities on standby.
So everybody up and down is getting ready.
It really comes back to how prepared did the
public get, and what’s really critical is
that people heed any evacuation orders and
move to higher ground.
So that’s going to be the key to keeping our
fatalities low, is getting people to evacuate,
evacuating early, and making sure that people
aren’t staying behind, saying, it won’t be
That’s just not — it’s just — you just can’t
make that gamble with yourself and your family.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let’s hope people are
Craig Fugate, someone who knows very well
about emergency management, thank you very
CRAIG FUGATE: Thank you.