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PORTFOLIOS.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ANALYSIS TONIGHT. ANALYSIS TONIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT, JOHN BOLTON’S>>>ALL RIGHT, JOHN BOLTON’S OUT. OUT. YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP’S YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR MIKE FLYNN LEARNED HE’S GOING TO MIKE FLYNN LEARNED HE’S GOING TO BE SENTENCED LATER THIS YEAR FOR BE SENTENCED LATER THIS YEAR FOR LYING TO THE FBI. LYING TO THE FBI. AND NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE LEARNED AND NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE LEARNED THAT DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER THAT DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER PERSONAL LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN IS PERSONAL LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN IS COOPERATING WITH OFFICIALS FROM COOPERATING WITH OFFICIALS FROM BEHIND BARS. BEHIND BARS. HE’S SIGNED A PROFFER AGREEMENT HE’S SIGNED A PROFFER AGREEMENT WITH THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT WITH THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. NOW THE PROFFER MEANS COHEN WILL NOW THE PROFFER MEANS COHEN WILL COOPERATE WITH THE INVESTIGATION COOPERATE WITH THE INVESTIGATION AND GET LIMITED PROTECTION AND GET LIMITED PROTECTION AGAINST PROSECUTION IN RETURN. AGAINST PROSECUTION IN RETURN. THE DA IS LOOKING INTO THE THE DA IS LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE TRUMP POSSIBILITY THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS FALSIFYING ORGANIZATION WAS FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS. BUSINESS RECORDS. JOINING ME NOW ARE TWO OF OUR JOINING ME NOW ARE TWO OF OUR LEGAL EXPERTS, CYNTHIA, FORMER LEGAL EXPERTS, CYNTHIA, FORMER PROSKWURT IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PROSKWURT IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUST’S CIVIL RECOGNIZES DIVISION JUST’S CIVIL RECOGNIZES DIVISION AND NOW AN MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST. AND NOW AN MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST. AND NICK ACERMAN, FORMER AND NICK ACERMAN, FORMER ASSISTANT WATERGATE PROSECUTOR, ASSISTANT WATERGATE PROSECUTOR, ALSO A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY. ALSO A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. LET ME START WITH YOU. LET ME START WITH YOU. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN THE PROFFER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN THE PROFFER AGREEMENT? AGREEMENT? I THINK WE’VE BEEN OUT OF THIS I THINK WE’VE BEEN OUT OF THIS BUSINESS FOR A WHILE TALKING BUSINESS FOR A WHILE TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND WHAT ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND WHAT HE’S UP TO. HE’S UP TO.>>IT MEANS THAT CY VANCE’S TEAM>>IT MEANS THAT CY VANCE’S TEAM HAS PICKED UP THE INVESTIGATION HAS PICKED UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS INTO FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. IT MEANS THEY’RE SORT OF TUGGING IT MEANS THEY’RE SORT OF TUGGING THAT PIECE OF YARN IN THIS THAT PIECE OF YARN IN THIS SWEATER AND SEEING HOW IT SWEATER AND SEEING HOW IT UNRAVELS. UNRAVELS. THIS IS INTERESTING ON LOTS OF THIS IS INTERESTING ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS, NOT ONLY IN DIFFERENT LEVELS, NOT ONLY IN HOW THEY WOULD DO IT AND WHAT HOW THEY WOULD DO IT AND WHAT THEY WOULD FIND BUT CAN THEY THEY WOULD FIND BUT CAN THEY REALLY GET INFORMATION FROM REALLY GET INFORMATION FROM COHEN SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE TO COHEN SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO TO FIND MORE INFORMATION SO GO TO FIND MORE INFORMATION SO THAT EVENTUALLY HE NEVER HAS TO THAT EVENTUALLY HE NEVER HAS TO BE A WITNESS BECAUSE YOU KNOW BE A WITNESS BECAUSE YOU KNOW HE’S NOT A VERY GOOD WITNESS HE’S NOT A VERY GOOD WITNESS BECAUSE OF HIS CONVICTIONS. BECAUSE OF HIS CONVICTIONS. BUT THEY CAN GET INFORMATION ON BUT THEY CAN GET INFORMATION ON HES FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS HES FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS WHICH CAN BE A FELONY AND A WHICH CAN BE A FELONY AND A SERIOUS OFFENSE. SERIOUS OFFENSE. AND IT COULD LEAD AS YOU TUG ON AND IT COULD LEAD AS YOU TUG ON THAT YARN IN THE SWEATER FROM THAT YARN IN THE SWEATER FROM FALSIFYING BUSINESS TO SOME KIND FALSIFYING BUSINESS TO SOME KIND OF A CRIMINAL TAX FRAUD CASE. OF A CRIMINAL TAX FRAUD CASE. AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THEY GET, IN ADDITION SEE WHAT THEY GET, IN ADDITION WHAT THEY’VE GOT OUT OF AMI. WHAT THEY’VE GOT OUT OF AMI. WHAT THEY’VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE WHAT THEY’VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE RECORDS FROM THE TRUMP RECORDS FROM THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. ORGANIZATION. AND IN THE COURSE OF THEIR AND IN THE COURSE OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, HAVE PEOPLE IN INVESTIGATION, HAVE PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION LIED TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION LIED TO THEM, IS THAT ANOTHER CHARGE? THEM, IS THAT ANOTHER CHARGE? SO THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING TO SO THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING TO PULL THIS YARN ON THIS SWEATER. PULL THIS YARN ON THIS SWEATER.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS, NICK,>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS, NICK, FOR PEOPLE, CYNTHIA WAS JUST FOR PEOPLE, CYNTHIA WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT CY VANISH, SO TALKING ABOUT CY VANISH, SO MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY. MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY. WE’VE MOSTLY KNOWN ABOUT MICHAEL WE’VE MOSTLY KNOWN ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN THROUGH THE WORK OF THE COHEN THROUGH THE WORK OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS>>THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT CY VANCE IS THE LOCAL THAT CY VANCE IS THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR. PROSECUTOR. HE IS THE STATE PROSECUTOR IN HE IS THE STATE PROSECUTOR IN NEW YORK COUNTY. NEW YORK COUNTY. SO HE IS NOT CONCERNED WITH SO HE IS NOT CONCERNED WITH FEDERAL CRIMES. FEDERAL CRIMES. HE’S CONCERNED WITH STATE HE’S CONCERNED WITH STATE CRIMES. CRIMES. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS BUT I THINK WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS THEME HERE THAT PERVADES ALL OF THEME HERE THAT PERVADES ALL OF THIS. THIS. AND IT’S SIMPLY THAT ALL ROADS AND IT’S SIMPLY THAT ALL ROADS LEAD TO DONALD TRUMP’S TAX LEAD TO DONALD TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS. RETURNS. TO MAKE THIS A SERIOUS CRIME AND TO MAKE THIS A SERIOUS CRIME AND A SERIOUS FELONY FALSIFYING A SERIOUS FELONY FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IS USUALLY BUSINESS RECORDS IS USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH FALSIFYING ASSOCIATED WITH FALSIFYING NUMBERS SO THAT THEY FALSIFY IN NUMBERS SO THAT THEY FALSIFY IN TURN THE TAX RETURNS. TURN THE TAX RETURNS.>>INTERESTING.>>INTERESTING.>>SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT>>SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT THEY ARE COULD VERY WELL BE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE FALSE STATE TAX LOOKING AT THE FALSE STATE TAX RETURNS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED BY RETURNS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED BY THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, FILED BY THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, FILED BY DONALD TRUMP, AND THERE COULD BE DONALD TRUMP, AND THERE COULD BE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO COULD ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE CRIMINAL LIABILITY HERE. HAVE CRIMINAL LIABILITY HERE. IF IT’S JUST DONALD TRUMP, IF IT’S JUST DONALD TRUMP, OBVIOUSLY, THE PROBLEM THERE IS OBVIOUSLY, THE PROBLEM THERE IS INDICTING A SITTING PRESIDENT, INDICTING A SITTING PRESIDENT, ALTHOUGH THE MANHATTAN DA’S ALTHOUGH THE MANHATTAN DA’S OFFICE IS NOT UNDER THE SAME OFFICE IS NOT UNDER THE SAME STICKTURE AS THE DEPARTMENT OF STICKTURE AS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. JUSTICE. THAT COULD INDICT A SITTING THAT COULD INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. SECONDSLY, THERE ARE LOTS OF SECONDSLY, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP WHO PEOPLE AROUND DONALD TRUMP WHO COULD BE INDICTED FOR AIDING AND COULD BE INDICTED FOR AIDING AND ABETTING AND ASSISTING IN THIS. ABETTING AND ASSISTING IN THIS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE WATERGATE FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE WATERGATE PROSECUTION WE COULD HAVE PROSECUTION WE COULD HAVE INDICTED RICHARD NIXON UP UNTIL INDICTED RICHARD NIXON UP UNTIL THE POINT HE WAS PARDONED BY THE POINT HE WAS PARDONED BY PRESIDENT FORD. PRESIDENT FORD. HOWEVER, WE WOUND UP INDICTING HOWEVER, WE WOUND UP INDICTING FOUR OTHER PEOPLE WHO ASSISTED FOUR OTHER PEOPLE WHO ASSISTED NIXON IN THE PREPARATION OF HIS NIXON IN THE PREPARATION OF HIS FALSE RETURNS. FALSE RETURNS. SO HERE YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE LIKE SO HERE YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE LIKE WEISSELBERG WHO WAS GIVEN WEISSELBERG WHO WAS GIVEN IMMUNITY BY THE FEDS, BUT THAT IMMUNITY BY THE FEDS, BUT THAT IMMUNITY DOESN’T CARRY OVER TO IMMUNITY DOESN’T CARRY OVER TO THE STATE. THE STATE. YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WERE YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN ACTUALLY DEALING INVOLVED IN ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THIS HUSH MONEY, DEALING WITH THIS HUSH MONEY, DEALING WITH THE BOOKS AND RECORDS. WITH THE BOOKS AND RECORDS. SO THERE ARE LOTS OF POTENTIAL SO THERE ARE LOTS OF POTENTIAL DEFENDANTS HERE WHO COULD BE DEFENDANTS HERE WHO COULD BE CHARGED WITH CRIMES RELATED — CHARGED WITH CRIMES RELATED –>>THIS IS THE PULLING ON THE>>THIS IS THE PULLING ON THE YARN. YARN. CYNTHIA, WHAT CAN CY VANCE OFFER CYNTHIA, WHAT CAN CY VANCE OFFER MICHAEL COHEN? MICHAEL COHEN? WHAT DOES HE GET FOR IT? WHAT DOES HE GET FOR IT?>>FIRST OF ALL, REVENGE IS A>>FIRST OF ALL, REVENGE IS A WONDERFUL MOTIVATION WHERE WHICH WONDERFUL MOTIVATION WHERE WHICH ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU DON’T ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU DON’T WANT HIM ON THE STAND. WANT HIM ON THE STAND. YOU KNOW, CY VANCE ISN’T IN A YOU KNOW, CY VANCE ISN’T IN A POSITION TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT POSITION TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FEDERAL TIME BECAUSE HE’S HIS FEDERAL TIME BECAUSE HE’S SERVING TIME IN A FEDERAL SERVING TIME IN A FEDERAL PRISON. PRISON. AND HE CAN’T REALLY DO ANYTHING AND HE CAN’T REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, COHEN SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, COHEN OBVIOUSLY FEELS IT’S DEEPLY OBVIOUSLY FEELS IT’S DEEPLY UNFAIR AND I WOULD AGREE WITH UNFAIR AND I WOULD AGREE WITH HIM THAT HE’S THE ONLY PERSON HIM THAT HE’S THE ONLY PERSON SERVING TIME FOR THE CAMPAIGN SERVING TIME FOR THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION. FINANCE VIOLATION. AND IT HAS INSPIRED HIM TO FIND AND IT HAS INSPIRED HIM TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE SURE THE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THE AUTHORITIES IN NEW YORK STATE AUTHORITIES IN NEW YORK STATE KNOW ABOUT THE VIOLATION AND KNOW ABOUT THE VIOLATION AND WILL FOLLOW ALL THE LEADS. WILL FOLLOW ALL THE LEADS. BECAUSE AFTER ALL IN THE NEW BECAUSE AFTER ALL IN THE NEW YORK STATE PROSECUTION THERE IS YORK STATE PROSECUTION THERE IS NO BAR TO SHUT IT DOWN, YOU NO BAR TO SHUT IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. KNOW, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THERE IS NO OLC MEMO AND THERE’S THERE IS NO OLC MEMO AND THERE’S NO PARDON POWER ASSOCIATING WITH NO PARDON POWER ASSOCIATING WITH THE STATE COURT CRIMES. THE STATE COURT CRIMES.>>SO NICK, ONE WILL REMEMBER>>SO NICK, ONE WILL REMEMBER THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS NOT THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS NOT JUMPING OVER HIMSELF TO JUMPING OVER HIMSELF TO COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES THE COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES THE WHOLE WAY. WHOLE WAY. THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THERE THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THERE THAT PREVENTED HIM FROM FESSING THAT PREVENTED HIM FROM FESSING UP TO EVERYTHING HE’S DONE. UP TO EVERYTHING HE’S DONE. HE’S WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING. HE’S WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING.>>SPENDING THREE YEARS BEHIND>>SPENDING THREE YEARS BEHIND BARS. BARS. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU HE’S NOT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU HE’S NOT SITTING THERE NOW JUST MAKING SITTING THERE NOW JUST MAKING LICENSE PLATES. LICENSE PLATES. HE’S LOOKING FOR WAYS HE CAN HE’S LOOKING FOR WAYS HE CAN COOPERATE AND GET HIS COOPERATE AND GET HIS COOPERATION BEFORE JUDGE PAULINE COOPERATION BEFORE JUDGE PAULINE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SO HE CAN RACK UP THOSE YORK SO HE CAN RACK UP THOSE BROWNIE POINTS AND BRING DOWN BROWNIE POINTS AND BRING DOWN THAT SENTENCE. THAT SENTENCE. I’M SURE HE’S COOPERATING WITH I’M SURE HE’S COOPERATING WITH JERRY NADLER’S INVESTIGATION, JERRY NADLER’S INVESTIGATION, WITH THE DA’S OFFICE. WITH THE DA’S OFFICE. AND AT SOME POINT HIS LAWYERS AND AT SOME POINT HIS LAWYERS ARE GOING TO GO BEFORE THE JUDGE ARE GOING TO GO BEFORE THE JUDGE AND SAY MICHAEL COHEN WHILE HE’S AND SAY MICHAEL COHEN WHILE HE’S BEEN IN PRISON HAS COOPERATED BEEN IN PRISON HAS COOPERATED WITH A WHOLE SERIES OF WITH A WHOLE SERIES OF INVESTIGATIONS AND THEREFORE, INVESTIGATIONS AND THEREFORE, JUDGE, YOU SHOULD LOWER HIS

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