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WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.>>>WELCOME RUHLE.” RUHLE.” THE KURDISH LED SYRIAN DEFENSE THE KURDISH LED SYRIAN DEFENSE FORCES, OFFENSIVE KILLED 22 OF FORCES, OFFENSIVE KILLED 22 OF ITS FIGHTERS SO FAR. ITS FIGHTERS SO FAR. THIS IS THE SAME GROUP THAT THIS IS THE SAME GROUP THAT PROVIDED CRUCIAL GROUND SUPPORT PROVIDED CRUCIAL GROUND SUPPORT AGAINST ISIS AND THEY’RE SEEING AGAINST ISIS AND THEY’RE SEEING IMAGES LIKE THIS ONE. IMAGES LIKE THIS ONE. RELIEVED BY THE SDF MILITARY RELIEVED BY THE SDF MILITARY OPERATIONS CENTER REPORTEDLY OF OPERATIONS CENTER REPORTEDLY OF THE AFTER MATH OF THE OFFENSIVE. THE AFTER MATH OF THE OFFENSIVE. FOUR CIVILIANS WERE KILLED AND FOUR CIVILIANS WERE KILLED AND NINE INJURED HERE. NINE INJURED HERE. NBC NEWS HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO NBC NEWS HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO VERIFY THESE NUMBERS AS OF YET. VERIFY THESE NUMBERS AS OF YET. JOINING ME NOW IS KEIR SIMMON. JOINING ME NOW IS KEIR SIMMON. SHE ALSO SERVES IN THE NATIONAL SHE ALSO SERVES IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL OF THE OBAMA SECURITY COUNCIL OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND JOE RUBIN. ADMINISTRATION AND JOE RUBIN. A FORMER DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT A FORMER DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE. SECRETARY OF STATE. KEIR SIMMON, I AM GOING TO START KEIR SIMMON, I AM GOING TO START WITH YOU ON THIS ONE. WITH YOU ON THIS ONE. BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT YOU BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING SO FAR. ARE EXPERIENCING SO FAR.>>HI MY FRIEND.>>HI MY FRIEND. THOSE NUMBERS YOU JUST READ OUT THOSE NUMBERS YOU JUST READ OUT THERE MAY TURN OUT TO BE NOTHING THERE MAY TURN OUT TO BE NOTHING IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE ARE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO SEE. ABOUT TO SEE. TODAY WE WATCHED TURKISH TODAY WE WATCHED TURKISH ARTILLERY POUNDING AGAIN AND ARTILLERY POUNDING AGAIN AND AGAIN ACROSS THE BORDER IN INTO AGAIN ACROSS THE BORDER IN INTO SYRIA. SYRIA. WE WATCHED WE WATCHED AS WE DROVE BACK TO THE SAFETY AS WE DROVE BACK TO THE SAFETY OF THIS LOCATION FURTHER AWAY OF THIS LOCATION FURTHER AWAY FROM THE BORDER, WE SAW A CONVOY FROM THE BORDER, WE SAW A CONVOY OF TURKISH TANKS ON THEIR WAY TO OF TURKISH TANKS ON THEIR WAY TO THE SYRIAN BORDER SO I THINK THE SYRIAN BORDER SO I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A GROUND CAMPAIGN THERE HAS BEEN A GROUND CAMPAIGN UNDERWAY, A MUCH LARGER GROUND UNDERWAY, A MUCH LARGER GROUND CAMPAIGN WILL BE PLANNED. CAMPAIGN WILL BE PLANNED. WE ARE NOT TOLD BY TURKEY WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD BY TURKEY WHAT THE PLANS ARE. THE PLANS ARE. TURKEY SAYS THEY’RE GOING TO TURKEY SAYS THEY’RE GOING TO PLAN. PLAN. AND WHAT TURKEY IS TRYING TO DO AND WHAT TURKEY IS TRYING TO DO HERE IS CHALLENGING DESPITE HERE IS CHALLENGING DESPITE THEIR HUGE ADVANTAGE MILITARILY THEIR HUGE ADVANTAGE MILITARILY OVER THE KURDS. OVER THE KURDS. THERE IS A LOT OF FOCUS OF THERE IS A LOT OF FOCUS OF COURSE ON THE QUESTION OF WHAPT COURSE ON THE QUESTION OF WHAPT HAPPENS TO THESE ISIS FIGHTERS. HAPPENS TO THESE ISIS FIGHTERS. FIVE ISIS FIGHTERS ESCAPED FROM FIVE ISIS FIGHTERS ESCAPED FROM THE CAMP IN THE LAST DAY OR SO. THE CAMP IN THE LAST DAY OR SO. OF COURSE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF COURSE THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THERE IS THE WORRY THAT AND THERE IS THE WORRY THAT THEY’LL SPED OUT. THEY’LL SPED OUT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT IS THIS TURNKURDISH WORRY ABOUT IS THIS TURNKURDISH CAMPAIGN GOING WRONG. CAMPAIGN GOING WRONG. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS WILL HE PLAN TO DO NEXT WHICH IS WILL HE PLAN TO DO NEXT WHICH IS MOVING LARGE NUMBER OF SYRIAN MOVING LARGE NUMBER OF SYRIAN REFUGEES INTO THAT SPACE. REFUGEES INTO THAT SPACE. WE CAN IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT WE CAN IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT WILL BE. WILL BE. THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS IN WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS IN WHICH THESE CHAINS OF EVENTS HAVE BEEN THESE CHAINS OF EVENTS HAVE BEEN SET OFF BY THAT PHONE CALL OF SET OFF BY THAT PHONE CALL OF PRESIDENT ERDOGAN AND PRESIDENT PRESIDENT ERDOGAN AND PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN GO OFF THE RAIL. TRUMP CAN GO OFF THE RAIL. IN A SENSE AMERICA HAS KIND OF IN A SENSE AMERICA HAS KIND OF THROWN ITS CARDS IN AND STEPPED THROWN ITS CARDS IN AND STEPPED AWAY AND WON’T BE ABLE TO HAVE AWAY AND WON’T BE ABLE TO HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER HOW THIS PLAYS MUCH CONTROL OVER HOW THIS PLAYS OUT. OUT. YET AT THE SAME TIME AND THE YET AT THE SAME TIME AND THE ISIS STORY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ISIS STORY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. THAT. AMERICA HAS SUCH HUGE INTEREST AMERICA HAS SUCH HUGE INTEREST HERE THAT IT CAN’T REALLY AFFORD HERE THAT IT CAN’T REALLY AFFORD TO HAVE AN IMPACT AND NOT BE TO HAVE AN IMPACT AND NOT BE ABLE TO INTERVENE IN SOME WAY. ABLE TO INTERVENE IN SOME WAY.>>LET’S TALK QUICKLY OF THE>>LET’S TALK QUICKLY OF THE PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO FLEE NORTHERN ARE TRYING TO FLEE NORTHERN SYRIA RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR SYRIA RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR SAFETY. SAFETY. WHO IS SUPPORTING THEM. WHO IS SUPPORTING THEM. WHERE ARE THEY HEADING IN? WHERE ARE THEY HEADING IN?>>YES, THERE ARE THOUSANDS.>>YES, THERE ARE THOUSANDS. THEY’LL BE HEADING ANYWHERE THEY THEY’LL BE HEADING ANYWHERE THEY CAN THAT IS SAFE. CAN THAT IS SAFE. WHAT PRESIDENT ERDOGAN IS TRYING WHAT PRESIDENT ERDOGAN IS TRYING TO DO IS CREATE AS 20-KORCORRIDO TO DO IS CREATE AS 20-KORCORRIDO ALONG THE BORDER. ALONG THE BORDER. I HAVE BEEN TO THAT PART OF I HAVE BEEN TO THAT PART OF SYRIA OF KURDISH, SYRIA. SYRIA OF KURDISH, SYRIA. IT IS A PLACE OF LARGELY IT IS A PLACE OF LARGELY PEACEFUL OF ETHNICITY GETTING PEACEFUL OF ETHNICITY GETTING ALONG PRETTY WELL TOGETHER. ALONG PRETTY WELL TOGETHER. NOW OF COURSE THAT’S ALL UP IN NOW OF COURSE THAT’S ALL UP IN THE AIR. THE AIR. SO, IT IS AS GREAT QUESTION. SO, IT IS AS GREAT QUESTION. I DON’T THINK THEY KNOW WHERE I DON’T THINK THEY KNOW WHERE THEY SHOULD GO AND OF COURSE THEY SHOULD GO AND OF COURSE THEIR PROBLEM WILL BE TURKEY’S THEIR PROBLEM WILL BE TURKEY’S PROBLEM. PROBLEM. IN THE END YOU KNOW ONCE YOU IN THE END YOU KNOW ONCE YOU INTERVENE, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM INTERVENE, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM AND THAT’S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT AND THAT’S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WILL BE FACING ERDOGAN AS THIS WILL BE FACING ERDOGAN AS THIS DEVELOPS. DEVELOPS.>>BY THE DAY, THIS IS TURNING>>BY THE DAY, THIS IS TURNING MORE AND MORE HUMANITARIAN MORE AND MORE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS. CRISIS.>>KELLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT>>KELLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGIONAL INSTABILITY THAT THE REGIONAL INSTABILITY THAT COULD COME TO ALL OF THIS. COULD COME TO ALL OF THIS. TURKEY IS BACKING INTO THE TURKEY IS BACKING INTO THE OFFENSE OF THE AREA. OFFENSE OF THE AREA. THE KURDS IN NORTHERN IRAQ, THEY THE KURDS IN NORTHERN IRAQ, THEY HAVE PLEDGED ACTUALLY TO SEND HAVE PLEDGED ACTUALLY TO SEND ASSISTANCE ACROSS THE BORDER OFF ASSISTANCE ACROSS THE BORDER OFF TO SYRIA. TO SYRIA. WE DON’T KNOW IN WHICH WAY WE DON’T KNOW IN WHICH WAY THEY’RE PROVIDING THAT THEY’RE PROVIDING THAT ASSISTANCE AND WHETHER IT IS ASSISTANCE AND WHETHER IT IS THROUGH PROVIDING PEOPLE OR THROUGH PROVIDING PEOPLE OR WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT TO WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE. PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE. COULD PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THIS COULD PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THIS SITUATION HAVE INADVERTEDLY SITUATION HAVE INADVERTEDLY GIVEN IRAN AN OPENING TO MOVE GIVEN IRAN AN OPENING TO MOVE INTO NORTHERN IRAQ TO CREATE A INTO NORTHERN IRAQ TO CREATE A VACUUM FOR IRAN TO MOVE IN? VACUUM FOR IRAN TO MOVE IN?>>QUITE POSSIBLY.>>QUITE POSSIBLY. I THINK TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, I THINK TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, THE PRESIDENT HAS SET INTO THE PRESIDENT HAS SET INTO MOTION OF A SERIES OF NEGATIVE MOTION OF A SERIES OF NEGATIVE SECURITYIES FOR WHICH THERE IS N SECURITYIES FOR WHICH THERE IS N PLAN. PLAN. USUALLY IN A NORMAL POLICYMAKING USUALLY IN A NORMAL POLICYMAKING PROCESS, THESE PLANS ARE IN PROCESS, THESE PLANS ARE IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THE PLACE TO DEAL WITH THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES. WHETHER IT IS A PLAN AROUND REF WHETHER IT IS A PLAN AROUND REF REFUGEES OR HOW TO DEAL WITH REFUGEES OR HOW TO DEAL WITH IRAQ OR IRAN SITUATION. IRAQ OR IRAN SITUATION. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED WELL AHEAD OF A DECISION LIKE WELL AHEAD OF A DECISION LIKE THIS BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE THIS BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. I SUSPECT THE NATIONAL SECURITY I SUSPECT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT COUNCIL AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENT ARE GOING AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENT ARE GOING THROUGH THAT CONTINGENCY THROUGH THAT CONTINGENCY PLANNING AS WE SPEAK. PLANNING AS WE SPEAK.>>I WANT TO TAKE A LISTEN OF>>I WANT TO TAKE A LISTEN OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT THE OFFENSE LAST NIGHT AT HIS THE OFFENSE LAST NIGHT AT HIS RALLY. RALLY.>>TURKEY IS RIGHT NOW WAGING A>>TURKEY IS RIGHT NOW WAGING A VERY TOUGH CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE VERY TOUGH CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE KURDS. KURDS. WE GOT ALONG WITH THE KURDS. WE GOT ALONG WITH THE KURDS. WE HELPED THE KURDS. WE HELPED THE KURDS. DON’T FORGET THEY RIGHT LANE DON’T FORGET THEY RIGHT LANE FIGHTARE FIGHTING FIGHTARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LAND. FOR THEIR LAND. WE HAVE THREE CHOICES. WE HAVE THREE CHOICES. WE DON’T HAVE ANY SOLDIERS WE DON’T HAVE ANY SOLDIERS THERE. THERE. WE WON AND LEFT, TAKE A VICTORY, WE WON AND LEFT, TAKE A VICTORY, UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. TAKE A VICTORY. TAKE A VICTORY.>>GIVE ME YOUR REACTION TO>>GIVE ME YOUR REACTION TO THAT. THAT. WE DO KNOW THERE ARE SOLDIERS WE DO KNOW THERE ARE SOLDIERS THERE AND THERE WERE SOLDIERS THERE AND THERE WERE SOLDIERS THERE DESPITE THE FACT IT MAY THERE DESPITE THE FACT IT MAY HAVE BEEN A SMALL NUMBER. HAVE BEEN A SMALL NUMBER. HAVE WE WON? HAVE WE WON? WAS THERE A WIN TO BE HAD. WAS THERE A WIN TO BE HAD. HOW A POTENTIAL FUTURE ALLIES HOW A POTENTIAL FUTURE ALLIES ARE GOING TO HEAR? ARE GOING TO HEAR?>>YASMIN, WE HAD OUR FOOT ON>>YASMIN, WE HAD OUR FOOT ON THE THROW OF ISIS AND DONALD THE THROW OF ISIS AND DONALD TRUMP TOOK IT OFF. TRUMP TOOK IT OFF. THE UNITED STATES IS LESS SAFE THE UNITED STATES IS LESS SAFE TODAY AS A RESULT OF THIS TODAY AS A RESULT OF THIS HORRIBLE DECISION. HORRIBLE DECISION. THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE PROBLEM AS WELL. PROBLEM AS WELL. AND IT WAS A DEPRESSING PERIOD AND IT WAS A DEPRESSING PERIOD AND I ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT I AND I ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT I COULD FEEL AS LOW ABOUT COULD FEEL AS LOW ABOUT AMERICA’S ROLE IN THE MIDDLE AMERICA’S ROLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BUT TODAY I DO. EAST BUT TODAY I DO. I DON’T KNOW WHICH ALLIES OF I DON’T KNOW WHICH ALLIES OF OURS IN THE REGION IS GOING TO OURS IN THE REGION IS GOING TO TRUST US. TRUST US. WE ARE NOW PUTTING OURSELVES IN WE ARE NOW PUTTING OURSELVES IN AN INCREDIBLY PRECARIOUS AN INCREDIBLY PRECARIOUS POSITION REGARDING ANY KIND OF POSITION REGARDING ANY KIND OF THREAT COMING FROM THE REGION. THREAT COMING FROM THE REGION. WE HAVE ALLIES NOW WHO ARE GOING WE HAVE ALLIES NOW WHO ARE GOING TO LOOK TO OTHERS FOR SUPPORT. TO LOOK TO OTHERS FOR SUPPORT. THE IDEA IS REGARDING IRAQI THE IDEA IS REGARDING IRAQI KURDS GETTING SUCKED INTO SYRIA. KURDS GETTING SUCKED INTO SYRIA. WE DON’T WANT A REGIONAL WAR. WE DON’T WANT A REGIONAL WAR. THAT’S NOT IN AMERICAN’S THAT’S NOT IN AMERICAN’S INTEREST. INTEREST. WE DON’T WANT TO SEE FURTHER WE DON’T WANT TO SEE FURTHER FIGHTING. FIGHTING.>>IS THAT WHERE YOU FEEL THIS>>IS THAT WHERE YOU FEEL THIS COULD BE HEADED? COULD BE HEADED?>>IN A WAY PUTTING, WE WERE THE>>IN A WAY PUTTING, WE WERE THE STOPPER IN THE TUB AND IT IS NOT STOPPER IN THE TUB AND IT IS NOT AS IF TURKEY AND THE KURDS WERE AS IF TURKEY AND THE KURDS WERE NOT THREATENING EACH OTHER FOR NOT THREATENING EACH OTHER FOR YEARS. YEARS. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES. DECADES. WE WERE A BUFFER AND WE WERE WE WERE A BUFFER AND WE WERE PREVENTING THE REGION FROM PREVENTING THE REGION FROM COLLAPSING IN THAT AREA IN A COLLAPSING IN THAT AREA IN A DIRECTION WHERE NOW WE ARE DIRECTION WHERE NOW WE ARE WITNESSING IT AND THAT CAN SUCK WITNESSING IT AND THAT CAN SUCK IN AKCTORS FOR A VARIETY OF IN AKCTORS FOR A VARIETY OF ACTION. ACTION. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS TIME. TIME. THERE IS NO REAL GOOD PLANTING THERE IS NO REAL GOOD PLANTING FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A BAD IDEA. BAD IDEA. WE NEED TO HAVE NATIONAL WE NEED TO HAVE NATIONAL SECURITY THAT’S ACTUALLY ROOTED SECURITY THAT’S ACTUALLY ROOTED IN GOOD THINKING AND RIGHT NOW IN GOOD THINKING AND RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT’S PLAYING WITH THE PRESIDENT’S PLAYING WITH FIRE IN THE REGION THAT ALREADY FIRE IN THE REGION THAT ALREADY HAD ENOUGH FIRE. HAD ENOUGH FIRE.>>WHO WOULD BE THE MAJOR>>WHO WOULD BE THE MAJOR PLAYER? PLAYER? WHO WOULD BE THE LEADER IN THIS WHO WOULD BE THE LEADER IN THIS REGIONAL WAR? REGIONAL WAR? WHAT OPEN SPACE HAVE THE UNITED WHAT OPEN SPACE HAVE THE UNITED STATES LEFT IN LEAVING NORTHERN STATES LEFT IN LEAVING NORTHERN SYRIA AND HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT SYRIA AND HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE PEOPLE HERE? THE PEOPLE HERE?>>ESSENTIALLY WE HANDLED OVER>>ESSENTIALLY WE HANDLED OVER SYRIA TO RUSSIA WITH IRAN. SYRIA TO RUSSIA WITH IRAN. RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS ENJOYING RUSSIA RIGHT NOW IS ENJOYING THIS SITUATION WITH THE U.S. THIS SITUATION WITH THE U.S. PULLING OUT ENTIRELY AND TURKEY PULLING OUT ENTIRELY AND TURKEY CLOSER TO RATIONAL AS WELL. CLOSER TO RATIONAL AS WELL. THOSE COUNTRIES ARE THE MAIN THOSE COUNTRIES ARE THE MAIN PROTAGONISTS. PROTAGONISTS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF IT. MIDDLE OF IT. WE ARE GOING TO WATCH ALLIES AND WE ARE GOING TO WATCH ALLIES AND I AM SURE SAUDI ARABIA IS I AM SURE SAUDI ARABIA IS NERVOUS. NERVOUS. THAT’S WHY A COUPLE OF THOUSANDS THAT’S WHY A COUPLE OF THOUSANDS TROOPS WERE SENT OUT THERE. TROOPS WERE SENT OUT THERE. MUHAMMAD BEN SALMAN CALLING OUT MUHAMMAD BEN SALMAN CALLING OUT THERE, ARE YOU KIDDING? THERE, ARE YOU KIDDING? THIS IS A SLIPLYPERY SLOPE WHERE THIS IS A SLIPLYPERY SLOPE WHERE THERE IS NO EASY END. THERE IS NO EASY END. WE SAW IT IN THE WAR OF IRAQ. WE SAW IT IN THE WAR OF IRAQ. ONCE YOU GET INTO CON FLICKFLICT ONCE YOU GET INTO CON FLICKFLICT CAN’T TURN IT OFF. CAN’T TURN IT OFF.>>KELLY, REACT TO ME ON THAT.>>KELLY, REACT TO ME ON THAT. NOW WE PULLED OUT AND GIVEN THE NOW WE PULLED OUT AND GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO ERDOGAN MOVING GREEN LIGHT TO ERDOGAN MOVING INTO NORTHERN SYRIA AND SENDING INTO NORTHERN SYRIA AND SENDING TROOPS THAT JOEL JUST MENTIONED. TROOPS THAT JOEL JUST MENTIONED.>>BECAUSE JUST YESTERDAY THE>>BECAUSE JUST YESTERDAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OUT STAYING HE’S BRINGING TROOPS OUT STAYING HE’S BRINGING TROOPS HOME. HOME. WE NEED TO END THE WAR. WE NEED TO END THE WAR. TODAY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ARE TODAY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ARE DENOUNCES THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO DENOUNCES THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO SYRIA. SYRIA. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.

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